We’ve got 12 new weekly episodes for you, all about the world of wine. And we have a new cohost, too!

Tune in to hear sommeliers, economists, scientists, journalists, authors, educators, influencers, and winemakers weigh in on the topics the wine world is buzzing about.

Martin Reyes, MW—wine educator, vintner, importer, activist, and perpetrator of dad jokes—joins longtime host Katherine Cole around the Four Top’s table for a season that dives deep into the wine world.

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derrick westbrook and regine rousseau


The New (Non) Rules of Wine Pairing

In Episode 90 we are joined by Regine Rousseau and Derrick Westbrook to discuss why “traditional” wine pairings (think Champagne and caviar) don’t work, and explore more abstract pairing concepts, such as wine with music, poetry, fragrance and… CBD?


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Like a lively dinner conversation at a table for four, The Four Top is smart talk about the hot-button topics in wine and food culture. We are proud recipients of both the James Beard and IACP awards for Best Culinary Podcast.

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